Reconstruction:Proto-Finnic/se

This Proto-Finnic entry contains reconstructed terms and roots. As such, the term(s) in this entry are not directly attested, but are hypothesized to have existed based on comparative evidence.

Proto-Finnic

Etymology

From Proto-Uralic *śe(-j). Cognate with Proto-Mordvinic *śä (whence Erzya се (se), Moksha ся (); final vowel perhaps by analogy with Proto-Mordvinic *tä) and possibly Proto-Khanty *ćī (whence Northern Khanty [script needed] (śi); the Khanty comparison is rejected by Kallio on basis of it relying on Proto-Uralic , which Kallio remarks as likely of secondary origin, but debate on Proto-Uralic ~ still continues).

Following Kallio (2020), the Finnic forms may have originally had a final *-j. This would explain the inessive *siinä and elative *siitä as deriving from earlier *sej-nä and *sej-tä, containing the same suffixes that, combined with *-s-, are found in the regular endings of the inessive (*-ssa < *-s-na) and the elative (*-sta < *-s-ta). The vowel would have been shortened in many other forms to simply *si- (specifically, *sej- > *si- originally in closed syllables); the essive *sinä and partitive *sitä (ultimately containing the same suffixes as the inessive and elative, respectively) have come about after this, and thus contain a short vowel. The genitive form (closed syllable) has *sej- > *se- due to its monosyllabic nature, and the nominative is likely analogous to it. *sei as the original form could also explain the Livonian development somewhat better.

Later analogy between the stems *se- ~ *si- ~ *sii- has further blurred the development, and this demonstrative pronoun goes under even more analogy in many descendants.

Pronoun

*se (plural *nek)

  1. it (medial?)

Determiner

*se (plural *nek)

  1. that (medial?)

Inflection

Descendants

  • Estonian: see
  • Finnish: se, (dialectal) see
  • Ingrian: se, (dialectal) see, sen
  • Karelian:
    • North Karelian: še
    • South Karelian: še, se
  • Livonian: se
  • Livvi: se
  • Ludian: se
  • Veps: se
  • Võro: (obsolete; Wiedemann 1864), seo
  • Votic: se

Further reading

  • see”, in [ETY] Eesti etümoloogiasõnaraamat [Estonian Etymological Dictionary] (in Estonian) (online version), Tallinn: Eesti Keele Sihtasutus (Estonian Language Foundation), 2012
  • Itkonen, Erkki, Kulonen, Ulla-Maija, editors (1992–2000), “se”, in Suomen sanojen alkuperä [The Origin of Finnish Words]‎[1] (in Finnish) (online version; note: also includes other etymological sources; this source is labeled "SSA 1992–2000"), Helsinki: Institute for the Languages of Finland/Finnish Literature Society, →ISBN
  • Kallio, Petri. Se (2020). in мас сымыӈ нэ̄кве во̄ртур э̄тпост самын патум: Scripta miscellanea in honorem Ulla-Maija Forsberg. pp. 171—183. Suomalais-Ugrilainen Seura.
  • Kallio, Petri (2020–), “*se(i)”, in Yhteissuomalainen sanasto [Common Finnic Vocabulary]‎[2] (in Finnish)